I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" andpleading with her to take off her mask? But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Web .
1925 . WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? But which'party' is Bill referring to? that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. WebEyes Wide Shut. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Mandy was not the same woman. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. Orgy? Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. What else could he call it? He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. This is still a mystery. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. EWS was potential. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? Lets look at the basic plot of this film. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. He wasn't positive. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. Barcaluv. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. WebSynopsis. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. It was a party nevertheless. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? How? >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Is that how youwould describe it? Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. The Daily Planet may go under too. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. <<<<<<<
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