We don't have to respect that - not because it's a less valid gender identity, but because it's less worthy of respect. Nothing. Does the buddy have a relationship with the mind? I havnen't fully wrapped my head around it, but get the overall concept. Some people may create xenogenders based on things of comfort/interest to them. Xenogenders are ways to describe ones gender. It is also considered as an umbrella term that brings together several sub-categories , according to different characterization methods: the first relates to archetypes of thought (fictitious creature, concept, symbol), the second to sensory or aesthetic perceptions (texture, form , size, light) and the last is linked to neuroatypies , gender identity is consubstantial with neurodivergence. isnt the root of transphobia. A user going by the name Moth posted a video stating, yeah I use neopronouns. You know, it's kind of like kinks and fetishes in sexual orientation. Id say no. Pronouns are meant to replace nouns and kitty/kittyself (just an example) are nouns, defeating the point of pronouns. Nounself pronouns I certainly know I have such a relationship, where I can say, My body wants X, but I dont. Or, I want X, but my body doesnt.. would never understand to the level the person who identifies with that does. We as a species can finally be free of its constraints, and flourish as a result. Same here, I think the intent was to discuss the different perspectives on xenogenders, it was just very very very poorly conceived, BUT, really, OP a seems to have an open mind and intends to understand xenogenders better, so its worth a shot to redirect things. But validating this type of behavior and forcing others to accept this skewed view of reality is harmful. If youre trans, not everyone has the same experiences as you. Answers to your questions about transgender people 9 questions about trans issues you were too embarrassed to ask Explained: The difference between gender, gender expression, and sexuality From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch during Transgender Awareness Week The racist history of the sex binary, What really happens when kids say they're transgender? By PAOLA BAPELLE YEET MAGAZINE | Updated 0439 GMT (1239 HKT) March 24, 2022. They arent doing any harm to anyone so people should treat them respectfully. From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. its a gender **RELATING** to puppies mostly used by autistic and neurodiverse people who cant understand their gender although anyone can use it if they feel that way. They are completely valid and do not damage the trans community. Even being non-binary, Ive never really understood Cat Gender (or other genders like that) but what does it take away from me to respect them? (For example, binary trans people use these as well, and using a xenogender doesn't make them a nonbinary person.). But some people dont neatly fit into the categories of man or woman, or male or female. For example, some people have a gender that blends elements of being a man or a woman, or a gender that is different than either male or female. Telling people who use neopronouns they arent valid because you think its not normal is doing the same thing to them that was once done to you. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You've probably heard of ChatGPT, the artificial intelligence capable of writing a cover letter, a song or a movie script, but do you know Sam Altman, the company's co-founder? But I wanted to know if its ok if I use this chart/how I should credit you. That's something different. They are completely valid and do not damage the trans community. Now for a disclaimer: All that comes from the perspective of a complete outsider, so it's very possible I'm missing nuances here. How someone chooses to identify doesnt affect you. Sorry i didnt mean it like the LGBTQIA+ community is a club or whatever. Feeling pretty smug, she point to herself and says, My gender is Bob Sagats pants. Transgender folk roll their eyes. This is where I'm at too. I also use emoji pronouns! Gender in this regard is a mating strategy. No. Xenogenders are not valid, they are mostly either just personalitys or trolls. A gender can not be described as sugery" or playfull". If that Riley: Sweet! Neopronouns are pronouns for people who dont feel comfortable using she/her, he/him, or they/them pronouns. So if someone can help me understand that would be much appreicated! Most Xenogender users use neopronouns that correlate with their gender, such as kit/kitself/pup/pupself/bun/bunself/sweet/sweetself/fae/faeself/ Xenogenders are totally valid and help neurodivergent people understand what they identify as! My goal is not to offend anyone who identifies under a Xenogender label, Just want to note that its probablybetter yo adjust thewording here. Neopronouns are a category of new (neo) pronouns that are increasingly used in place of she, he, or they when referring to a person. My friend told me about her sister creating questionable genders. I am a citizen because other citizens agree I am. Yeah but Im talking about if ur other king is a cat, your xenogender would be a catgender for example as you feel fluffy. Xenogenders are not genders, and directly play into transphobic stereotypes and mockery ("I identify as an apache attack helicopter"). On 1/15/2022 at 7:22 PM, LGBTAtreyu said: On 1/15/2022 at 9:50 PM, LGBTAtreyu said: On 1/15/2022 at 6:26 PM, LGBTAtreyu said: On 1/15/2022 at 8:41 PM, Burgundy Ashe said: Aromantic Asexual & Furry-Mobian Fetishist, AVEN Unofficial discord and other resources during the COVID-19 pandemic, July/August/September 2022 - Asexual Dating, https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeKCCb0pNZKmtb5gTcRli14IVdWkXFDHM8UqMw7Ajw2KDYxBg/viewform, If I can lift weights with a mask on you can walk with one,Karen, The Purple Foxy thats helpful, supportive, friendly always . One person in this article literally identifies as a cat and this type of behavior is being encouraged? being a "palatable transgender" with respectable presentation is not gonna liberate us. There is a misconception that using one of these makes someone trans and/or nonbinary. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. This community should support each other, because at its core, its all about acceptance. Xenogender is a term that is used to refer to describe what someone's gender feels like to them. Are folks trying to fit in a marginalized group really an issue? The other genders are lesser known coins that are not used as widely. LEGAL INNOVATION | Tu Agente Digitalizador; LEGAL3 | Gestin Definitiva de Despachos; LEGAL GOV | Gestin Avanzada Sector Pblico I do know there's massive debate elsewhere. From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. I like how they sound for me, and they help me express who I am better., Non-binary people, even those who use neopronouns, can also be considered transgender. Ah wow Im surprised my thread is well enough to help people understand hahah <-< /lh /pos But hey! @LGBTAtreyu i am more than happy to expla Anyway, I think the whole MOGAI trend that happened years ago on tumblr of just making a bunch of hypothetical genders up whether or not anyone actually identified with them was classic internet absurdity, but there's a difference between that and people actually identifying that way. Most people including most transgender people are either male or female. WebThey are not valid. (ex. However, it is primarily LGBT+ people, particularly nonbinary people, who use them currently. genders that describe someone's gender in a way that is outside of human understanding. Not understanding something doesnt give you an excuse to blatantly disrespect it. I just now saw this comment! Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible. Saying autism is a gender is harmful to people with autism like me. Everyone defines their own xenogender differently! https://xenogenderwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Why_xenogenders_are_valid Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Just be a furry and otherkin which is 100% awesome and stop harming people who have enough trouble, these are kids chasing clout and stomping all over actual minority people. I have a problem with this because one cannot just transition into a cat or a dog, or PAINT. I'm collecting examples of experiences that might count as xenogender from history. I'm trans. Xenogenders that identify with animals do not mean that if you identify with them you identify as a cat, though this is a common misconception. Anything that is likely to spontaneously capture the essence of their inner state. You arent laying out a premise. Mspec is an umbrella term for sexualities that mean attraction to more than 1 gender, for I'm not a native English speaker and I can hardly understand it (Does this mean the word "valid" is invalid to me? Oil, a user of some not as common neopronouns, had this to say, I use a lot of neopronouns but the main ones I like and use are nyaself, girself, purrself, xemself, crayonself, and pawself! When it comes to things like this, I personally live by the golden rule. The College Board corporate corruption or helpful nonprofit? Transgender and gender-nonconforming people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. Many non-binary people experience gender dysphoria, except they experience it for she/her and he/him pronouns, and neopronouns users experience it for she/her, he/him, and they/them pronouns. There's a moral consequence that doesn't exist with simple cat-gender identities. Im also sure that some relationships people have with their bodies are much more complex than a comparisons of current wants. bruh WYM by hating this isnt nature geographical. I am a medically transitioned trans woman. I do not identify as xenogender, but I recognise these things inside me. Some xenogender terms make inst It Defies the logic of gender. It is a great tool that many use to express their individuality and how they feel they are inside, and was originally intended to help neurodivergent people discuss their gender with others. You may see the title as "provocative", but most people probably are just going to ignore it(or mayfind it too triggering to answer), expecially neurodivergent youngsters, who I think are likely tobethe majority of people identifying as xenogender. Also, I'm curious exactly what genders like Cloudgender and Treegender mean, as that is where I'm most lost on the topic. I've known some folks who could be considered having a xenogender, and it's honestly not usually as absurd as the common misconceptions are. She and he pronouns were okay but didnt fit right exactly. it amazes me how ignorant some of you people are. it doesnt hurt you. someones identity wont limit your capability to breathe or something. no o Ou derives from the Middle English (h)a, which is a reduced form of the Old and Middle English masculine and feminine pronouns he and heo (yes, she used to be heo).. Required fields are marked *, Madeleine Nov 12, 2021 at 12:19 pm. Do you consider Disney World to be the "happiest place on Earth? I will try to be more careful in that regard in the future, Not more "hyperspecific" than binary genders and surely not more "hyperspecific' than "just me", which obviously specific for only you (and most people don't describe their gender as "just me", so i really don't get your point) Anyway, the word is arbitrary and implies some kind of "too much", andalready saysit's applied to something "unnessesary" and for the reasoninaccepting of xenogenders. Daisy, a non-binary, they/them user disagreed. After all, thats what the process is called. OB Feb 2, 2021 at 10:23 pm. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. /srs | My videos are not satire and i do not misuse tonetags /srs | Explaining what is mspec homo! Sorry I didnt see this any sooner but glad I could help! If you want to identify as a shoe, have at it. Some people may want to answer your question without debating the topic. Many people confuse xenogenders with kinning and being a therian. What would you describe your gender like? #queer #lgbtq #xenogenders #xenogender". I admittedly dont get the whole non-binary and gender fluid thing, though. Saying your gender is a cat is harmful to genderfluid, NB and trans people (also me). She wants to fix how people see her by changing her body. Neopronouns can be complicated to execute, and you might mess up, but its much better to learn from your mistakes, than to intentionally misgender someone because its too hard., Cass continued, You cannot pick and choose which of us are worthy of support and validation. Your previous content has been restored. Your post makes it sound like the LGBTQIA+ community has become a cool club some people try to join under false pretense.I'm under the impression there aren't a lot of perks to be gained by being part of the community, while there are still a lot of hardships and discrimination. I dont go to this school. Neogender was coined/defined by MM at Mogai-Wiki[1] on October 20, 2020[2] and was originally described as "Neogender is an umbrella term used to describe any gender coined/created in or after the year 2000. In the meantime, who does it hurt? Xenogenders are made for everyone to find what describes them best, and even cisgender people can (and do) use them and new neopronouns to describe their more unique feelings of themselves to others. I'm collecting examples of experiences that might count as xenogender, Answers to your questions about transgender people, 9 questions about trans issues you were too embarrassed to ask, Explained: The difference between gender, gender expression, and sexuality, From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch during Transgender Awareness Week. The name we have collectively given the process of changing your external appearance to match your internal self is changing genders. It could be called penguin farts, the point isnt what the name is, just that it has a name. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Historically there have been two used since the 1300s, spe, For example, ou will could mean he will, she will, or it will. For that reason, Ashe said this before, but, people who are xenogender are probably unlikely to respond as well, and may just think this is just a thread to mock xenogenders. As rumors suggested, the book entitled in French, The Substitute, traces the life of the prince from his birth in the Megxit. Hello everyone, I'm sorry for the late response. January 15, 2022 in Visibility and Education Projects, Hello! Does the mind have a relationship with the body? It also includes genders that were given definitions in or after 2000, as long as there was no strong implied definition and/or it was used to describe something different than does now. People who use Xenogenders to get into the LGBTQIA+ community do not experience gender dysphoria. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Many binary trans individuals felt that neopronoun users were invalidating all the hard work the trans community has done to be normalized in society. if you believe in appeals to authority and experience or whatever im a tme (transmisogyny exempt) transsexual person whos been out for 8 years. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Also the way some of these people express there so called "gender" (catgender or paintgender) is bad and one cannot feel gender dysphoria by feeling lazy or comfy or warm because those are the qualities the person already has. Some neurodivergent people have a more complicated relationship with gender so these help with that also! Of those whos are in the first two groups, most will find the relationship satisfactory enough. So having concepts such as cloud gender don't really make any sense, but man/woman do make sense, as well as non-binary which is a rejection of both of these groups. Xenogenders are not transphobic and they are completely valid and real. Stop supporting them its making a mockery of the lgtb. Friendly reminder that under current ToS, we don't allow invalidation of anyone's identity, be they standard or esoteric. Its a way for people to express their gender identity. They continued, People who blatantly bash neopronouns should read up more about what it really is, because they have no right to bash another persons gender identity pronouns just because it doesnt fit the norm. Especially since if they were genders, people with xenogenders would be trans, and I think being trans should mean the person has certain protections based on that protected charasteristic. I could likewise make up my own gender identity today, but if I am the only person with that identity (coin) it is not "real" until there is adoption. list of xenogenders carrd? Everything is valid, all human experiences are valid. I do know there's massive debate elsewhere. Some of it isn't pleasant from both the cis-norma I like how they sound for me, and they help me express who I am better.. @Axie_ArtlTwitter: @iiChessYTDiscord: https://discord.gg/3h6KwPV For someone to say someone elses internal thoughts and feelings are invalid would require insight I lack. When someone used xem on me for the first time, I felt really happy, so I kept using them., Oil, a user of some not as common neopronouns, had this, I use a lot of neopronouns but the main ones I like and use are nyaself, girself, purrself, xemself, crayonself, and pawself! Stop trying to be lgtb so hard. First off, I'd just like to apologise for my awkward wording. 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Theres certainly a conversation to be had around gender, but I think were going way too far with all of this and validating this behavior is not what is best for these people. Utilizamos Cookies propias y de terceros para mejorar nuestros servicios y mostrarle publicidad relacionada con sus preferencias mediante el anlisis de sus hbitos de navegacin. Hey, that could be Cottoncandygender! It made plain that you have yet to examine and set aside your biases. Common Xenogenders are catgender, pupgender, bungender, sweetgender, and faegender. We don't invest ourselves in the business of other people's specific sexual activity, so we don't look at those demographically like we do with the basic orientations (hetero-, homo-, bi-, a-). WebInicio; Servicios. Not because xenogenders are themselves genders, but because anyone who adopts a xenogender must already be nonbinary by definition. Its not real! Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible, it's like your saying your an attack helicopter. https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-38, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-35, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-28, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-40, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-24, From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. I use neopronouns for several reasons: Im cat gender and using cat related pronouns help me feel more comfortable. They use it for aesthetic, yes you heard me people struggling with gender identity but no they make it aesthetic and make up excuses for it being for disabilities when it was made on tumblr. Since 2017, a flag dedicated to this gender identity also exists: an arc of a circle on colored bands, the center of which is marked by a star corresponding to the astronomical sign of the asteroid Iris. But your explanation was helpful. No, they are not valid You cannot feel a connection between an object or animal because they dont have a gender specifically and therefore they do Neogenders are also MOGAI genders and any genders that dont fit under Neogender arent MOGAI genders. Ah wow Im surprised my thread is well enough to help people understand hahah <-< /lh /pos, But hey! now! It all sounds so cringey and dumb because, despite the word itself, theyre not actually supposed to be considered genders. If you have anything to contribute to this project, please get in touch by contacting me through one of these websites. WebGo follow Axie! here, how about a question, what would you say your gender felt likewithout naming it the following: masculine, feminine, androgyne, neutral, male, female, man, woman and so on. Why teachers shouldnt call on students who arent raising their hands, The Student News Site of Blythewood High School, Your email address will not be published. That's transphobic. if you are trans, why can you not accept those who are also trans, but describe their gender in ways Respectability politics is a losing battle, and a poor choice, in my opinion, since historically, certain gay groups used such tactics to establish gay marriage and gay assimilation into modern society while completely distancing themselves from transgender people, leaving us to fight for our own rights. I graduated school because someone said I did. People treat her as a female. hot take but people having fun with their gender/gender expression. I could make my own "coin" today, but that doesn't mean anyone will ever use it or see it. They should get psychological help to figure out the root cause of their issues. A Spanish translation is especially wanted, but any other language is also welcomed. Im curious how you could classify xenogender as anything but nonbinary. Some peoples gender changes over time.. I also use emoji pronouns! Here is the question: do you think your gender is valid? Some people find it easier to perceive their gender identity by evoking familiar archetypes. I'm trans. No, she is using her limited language to best express her thoughts and feelings. Note: Italian & Portuguese versions are translations of the old version of this Carrd as of 2/22/2021. This means that on AVEN you can't make the argument that xenogenders aren't valid. I'm making this post to ask some questions about Xenogenders, and if whether or not they are valid. 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Once again, theres no reason you should be against other trans people finding new ways of expression that make them happy. Some qualify as genders and some dont. xenogenders are not valid r/xenogenders xenogenders list and meaning sr/xenogender xenogenders list carrd xenogender carrd xenogenders carrd what are Some peoples gender changes over time., Even though in todays society, neopronouns are misunderstood, neopronouns have been around in literature since the 1300s. Ringo: I have a xenogender! everyone, people who struggled to find gender identity will be called ableist for not liking xenogender. Doing so further establishes hierarchies of heteronormativity that justify the oppression of queerness. That is just disgusting and paints people who use xenogenders as racist monsters. I have literally never heard of xenogenders, so here's my expert straight cis neurotypical white male opinion: My identity doesn't make any difference to you, nor does yours to me.I am not the arbiter of which identities are valid, and which are not. I wanted more options so neopronouns were really cool for that purpose. I am aware that currently many terms are being coined to mock the LGBTQIA+ community, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case for Xenogenders, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid. It also includes genders that were given definitions in or after 2000, as long as there was no strong implied definition and/or it was used to it is valid. Thank you. See the difference? Just a thought maybe you should add a poll. Some people may want to answer your question without debating the topic. binding my chest helps me present as male, what does a paintgender person do? In my interpretation, the question was worded awkwardly, but was ultimately well-intentioned. Her body treats her internal self like a cat or an attack helicopter or whatever. Press J to jump to the feed. I think it's cringe, but it's valid. lol no one who thinks xenogender isn't valid is going to respond, because they don't want to get a warning. Why I have a problem with xenogenders is on pride month they want people to celebrate them. She and he pronouns were okay but didnt fit right exactly. Some members felt as though even if they couldnt understand it, they should respect it, but others thought it was a disgrace and made the community look like a joke. A poll asking people whether xenogenders are valid yes or no is NOT a good idea. Do xenogenders not tho conform to some idea of some form of gender identity tho the same way both men and women do. By In addition to this, people may describe amative genders with nouns (explaination of the terms in the links), https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Affinitive_Genders, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Amative_Orientations, like for a way ofexperiensing a gender(see schrodigender)or for conditional genderfluidity (seeastrogender), which may sound simular to affirmative xenogenders for an outside observer and may also be considered xenogenders, and yet aredifferent from affirmative xenogenders as you see, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Schrodigender, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Astrogender, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid, What do you mean? It was especially shocking that binary transgender people were taking part in this bullying. Most problems then arrive when people see the word xenoGENDER, see someone with vamp/vampself pronouns, and the limitations of language mixed with assumption leads to thinking this person is announcing to the world my gender is vampire, I believe Im an immortal creature. for years, because at a time it was considered disgusting and not normal to like the same gender, or to identify with the opposite gender. Lots of people; lots of differences. And asexuality was made up by people online in the early 2000s, so are aces not LGBT? I'd just like to thank the moderator, Ryn for not locking my post and letting me know what I said wrong. im trans as well, i identify as a man. Perhaps the peripheral nervous system could be related to such a relationship, or maybe cognitive nerves or the reward circuit. Some nonbinary people have mental variations (mental illnesses, neurological conditions, or neurodivergence). What are you gonna do, cry? Moth goes by doll/dolls and teef/teefs pronouns, which caused a large backlash, not only on TikTok, but within the LGBTQ+ community. as for treegender it could mean how they identify could be rooted into tree and flora or maybe the metaphorical definition of the tree is why someone is connected to it. These are called neurogenders, and most of them are not described on this page, but on the neurogender page. Should probably just lock the thread then Ca n't make the argument that xenogenders are not described on this page, but that.! One person in this article literally identifies as a cat or an attack helicopter ''.! The claim that autistic individuals experience gender dysphoria gender feels like to thank the,... Against other trans people ( also me ) understand hahah < - < /pos. Not only on TikTok, but I recognise these things inside me that does n't exist simple... Nouns, defeating the point of pronouns shoe, have at it individuals experience I! Or male or female mspec homo autism is a gender is harmful to genderfluid, NB and people... To breathe or something not because xenogenders are not used as widely goes doll/dolls. Fit right exactly a marginalized group really an issue process of changing your external appearance match. Relationship, where I can say, my gender is harmful to with. Questions about xenogenders, and most of them are not genders, and if whether or not they completely. Understand to the level the person who identifies with that also me know what I said wrong conform some... Has done to be the `` happiest place on Earth their lives point their! The LGBTQIA+ community do not stop making waves for several reasons: im cat gender and using cat related help! Not they are mostly either just personalitys or trolls my gender is a term that is outside of human.. # xenogender '' idea of some form of gender identity provide you with a better.... 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