Wake up and take some serious deep reflection you follow a man not Jesus that is extremely dangerous my suggestion to you.., workout your salvation with fear and trembling my sister in Christ. As Gods word says it would. The day I watched the video, I emailed my campus pastor and asked for an explanation. I left for the Truth of Orthodoxy! I hadnt realized that James had gotten a tattoo that week. Thank you, Lord, for Ephesians 6:13: This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. Sometimes being good will require us to say harsh things. As a former elder for three years at the Elgin campus ( it wasnt a true elder board then and it still isnt now ), I couldnt agree with you more, that all the infected parts have to excised! Looking sideways (practical love): If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. It takes a long time. God has been known to use even a donkey and a false pagan prophet to speak His word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. But thats how it happens at Harvest, right? I do know that my faith will not be shaken. From elders (Dave Corning, Jon Gaus, The Elephant Debt etc) to nobodies one by one we were all ignored and in many cases bullied. And the lies werent just shared by James. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Yes, I was there for ex-communication video. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. How about some GRACE !!! Prevent these types of money exchange corporations, Then, on February 8th, Roys revealed material obtained under subpoena that backed up critics claims that Harvest Bible Chapel inappropriately took money from HBF. I have or attend 3 or more small groups a week now and feel alive. Pray for those outside the faith who will never come to salvation because of how this appears to them, Muller wrote in his op-ed. To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Our Elders and Staff are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful, the elders statement read, promising a more detailed plan for the churchs future in coming weeks. All I have to say Lina is thank you! Were you bullied by those elders named? And even then, it often doesnt work because so many remain enthralled with the narcissist, or have tied their fortunes to them, that they simply cant or wont see the truth. Ive been asked, what would I do if I were still on staff. I am so proud of Lina and she is speaking out the words that I would never say because I live in fear of that kind of authority. The Lord knows and he keeps the books. My father went through prostate cancer. As a former Muslim, I grew in my walk with GOD because Pastor James teachings from the GODs Word. He went recently, saying the time had come. Last November, Harvests new elders (all those who served under MacDonald stepped down) declared that their former pastor failed to meet the elder qualifications laid out in Scripture and could not return to their church. Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. That is just so day to know that people are leaving churches. All Rights Reserved. Driscoll, now MacDonald. than submission to leaders Thanks for being so honest. We warn the people of Harvest Bible Churchto separate themselves from these false messengers. You are open to correction, feeling hurt when it comes. I didnt want James as an enemy, as being on the inside knowing and seeing how he could and would destroy others in ministry if they challenged him. 12:18) as while working through this year-and-half-long process of transition. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. We are the Church! Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. In Him, Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. , Titus 3:10-11 says as for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful, he is self condemned. Also 1 Timothy 5:20 says as for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, which is what we are doing, so that the rest may stand in fear. , Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing, only this attack from the enemy. We attended Harvest for 16 years before we left little over 4 years ago. I attended Harvest for five years, and left five years ago. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. thanks, I am so glad Lina has spoken up. There is no question in my mind that what I did see and experience increasingly at Harvest was a culture that functioned and was sustained by fear and the desire to please James at any cost. The whole ordeal was very strange. It is loving to tell the truth. I chose to believe the Bible and Gods promises. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. Hello: [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. Dull other times. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. We need to trust Him. superstar pastors are always ,inevitably, trouble. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. We just determined to treat the circumstances as a loving God giving us a different direction. Open your eyes and feel the heat of the refiners fire. My heart breaks for the people that have been hurt by this on both sides. Hi Sally, A book called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse really helped me and my wife to recover from our experience of confronting the pastor and then leaving the church. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. The preacher has no support system to fall back on but must find a new church before the new hireling moves in. Matthew 7:15 I used to go to a church in AZ pastored by Jon Gaus. These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! is it the pastors doing? Just pray in a prayer closet to be still in the presence of Jesus. 1 Timothy 5:20 Rotate positions? Go to the all church meetings? Although he denied stabbing the photo, MacDonald said, I may have put my knife up against it or into it.. Thanks again, Lina, for being courageous in the midst of these difficult days. There are always two sides to every story not really believing your story and if someone is a Christian you would talk about this with some Church leaders not blow it all out in public its sad that it was done that way that isnt what a Christian would do it is what a secular person would do. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on herblog. I hope it doesnt chase people away from their spiritual questaway from God., I take no joy in this announcement, said Muller. Nellie, you know what Lina went through in prep for this how? Your realness. So Ill never forget the day I got up from my seat in a service, walked out, and never looked back. James MacDonald founded Harvest Bible Chapel in 1988. Perhaps we can do something like that here in Davenport, too. Even people who were very close to us turned silent. These things happen in small churches too. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: Its Not About Winning Football Games. This is not an endorsement of the culture at Harvest because its total trash, but you cant blame them for you bad theology choices. Every weekday, get RELEVANT's top five articles delivered to your inbox! My mom, who doesnt attend HBC, says that the church is going to die because James was the bread and butter. Thanks for speaking up! Lean should read it and reply in kind. Fear. Please anchor in on John 7:24. It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. Are you straining at a gnat but swallowing a camel? Yes, God has this in hand, but that doesnt mean He wont ask His children to do the hard work of calling out sin in unrepentant believers. Its like I seek mans favor as well, rather than the Lords. How long before we wake up and show the world how Christians are not only different from the world but we are not of the world! And these things are only the tip of the iceberg. The edited . Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. The evangelical megachurch system, where multilayered ministries form around a single persona, leaves ample room for mismanagement and abuse of authority. In the early 2000s, Harvest embarked on an ambitious expansion plan, aiming to form "10 churches in 10 years." Since then the church has opened locations in Elgin, Highland Park, Niles, Crystal. I am delighted to hear that. Harvest Kids is our weekend experience for kids (babies to fifth grade). I feared offending people. Thanks Sheila. Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is satanic to the core. Also Thank you Lina for having the courage to say something now. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. No unfortunately I have not seen your web page. Harvest, which Roys says is $42 million in debt, is suing the Evangelical Christian Credit Union for not refinancing five of its mortgages. Thank you for adding your voice to the now chorus of voices calling for a time of judgment and reform. They all need to be excised ( fired ), along with number one enabler extraordinaire of James, Rick Donald, along with the MacDonald boys, along with every single campus pastor and the other pastors, and throw in the worship leaders ( they are all complicit ), then the cancer would have been completely removed and the body ( the good people of Harvest that are being fleeced ) would have a chance to heal and become part of a true biblical church. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. This woman sounds sincere. Im praying for you. My precious, from a far, friend who I have watched since your first speaking engagement at Harvest. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. The web page has a Contact button on the bottom and we can email. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/, I would love to chat and learn more of what you are doing. He lists grievances against Harvest including a false narrative in financial matters, a hostile takeover, shunning our family, the wrongful seizure of the ministry assets returned to him in the recent arbitration, and a vicious but unsuccessful strategy to end our ministry permanently.. He has harmed thousands of people. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. For years, they had been made to feel like the outcasts, but finally vindication in its godly form was working its way out. I didnt know you personally, but was a part of and benefited from the many programs that you offered through womens ministry. What you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops.. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. Thank you. The eight former elders who signed the letter alleged that that Harvest ran a puppet elder board; that a culture of fear and intimidation plagued the church; and that the elder board, which was supposed to be responsible for overseeing the churchs finances, was not granted access to financial information. All that leads to ia where we are, I led worship in a church for 5 years. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! I asked my surgeon why the procedure is called radical, he replied that even the seminal vesicles have to be removed along with the prostate, otherwise the cancer may return! Im sure I will find much more to comment on, but I hope to leave it at that as an encouragement to you. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. Critics of the church are just bitter. I have had similar experiences at The Chapel . Stephanie Martin, a freelance writer and editor in Denver, has spent her entire 30-year journalism career in Christian publishing. The Rolling Meadows Campus is our founding campus and for more than three decades has testified to God's faithfulness. Praying for you, many blessings for all you do. She did a awesome job as the judgment of God has come to his house. God used him mightily for many years and brought His salvation to thousands through this brother. Five Uncomfortable Church Documentaries Still Worth Watching, Asbury Announces New Service ScheduleCampus Will Be Closed to the Public After Today, Eight Witnesses Testified Against Hillsong Founder Brian Houston in Court Case. Do systems of accountability exist in practice, or only on paper? I think that was his recruitment tactic. Lina, thank you for your honesty. Worship With Us. Love my bible sisters. I have my own hurt of how certain situations were handled with me through the 20s ministry Then soon after that, the 30s ministry, production ministry and even the womens ministry on multiple occasions. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. Be kind not hurtful. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. Thats when eight former elders sent a letter to the sitting elder board, warning them that MacDonald was disqualified for office, she said in a response posted Wednesday. He invitedme to go when we first started dating. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. Sheila, we are not called to be good, we are called to be HOLY! This isI believewhy the American church has lost its effectiveness. You followed what God would have instructed you to handle this situation.you started by going to the leaders of the church for answers and none were given. Dont stop trusting or loving. Those that have gone through it ask themselves, should I speak up?. Life goes on people repent and grace is for everyone. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. If the church treated Lina this way, they will do it to you and others without a second thought. Also I Cor. It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. I pray others in leadership read your post, check their hearts, and follow suit. Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. Go figure..Disappointed, Searching for a new study close by. Laurie Newman, a Harvest member, told Christianity Today that she believes the church's current leaders, like Bradshaw, are "good people who want to lead the church the way God wants it to. Im not on FB, so I didnt see your post where you extended an invitation to us to meet with you again. Yet, with the growing numbers leaders, it is coming out, many followed along with James out of fear to personal, family, career damage. Also, for 2 years I felt my prayers didnt get past the ceiling. I also was silent about why my family left (also the week following the video). Hes my brother in Christ. He is really great at it I give him that. There are dozens if not hundreds of witnesses against many Elders at Harvest all saying the same thing. Yet a week ago I posted on FB an invitation to open my house to anyone who needed to talk about their pain as it related to what was happening at Harvest. I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. Abusers groom their community and a spiritually abusive church grooms its members to not rock the boat, to gaslight themselves, and to leave quietly if they should ever refuse to submit to abuse. Blessings to you! Others, too, could see the attitude. New to Harvest and my faith in Christ, I didnt know what was going on and still kinda of unclear of all the details. model and not on the Old Testament hierarchical model. Not saying thete arent strong christians in leadership at this church but it does always seem that when pride gets in the way of leadership it hurts that person and everyone around them. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. I do pray that the entire senior leadership staff and elders who have participated in sheltering the truth for their own gain would be called out by the Lord. It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. I have always wondered why you left Lina but didnt know you personally to ask. Or share it. Christs grace saves us and sustains us. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Why now does not matter. I was so surprised to read that you were afraid because you seem like such a strong and confident person. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. No shame here for Lina. She did not claim it was her trurh , but opinion. Its hard. The Scripture that came to me as I read this is I Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but one of power, love, and sound judgment. Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. It wasnt that we saw corruption in our church. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on her blog. I did not fear God as much as I feared James and longed for his approval. I agree here. Press on in Truth with Grace and Peace. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. The Spirit has shown me that Church, the Body of called out believers are those Christians you meet with. The moment I read about someone saying something about planting child pornography on the Christianity Todaycomputers, I knew I had to figure out what the heck was going on. Thank you for sharing and speaking truth Lina. (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) Did you realize the pastors publicly said sorry last weekend? There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. What you are talking about is protecting abusers at the expense of those they have abused and betrayed which, unfortunately, happens far too often. You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. I, too, have friends who have never once asked how I am or why I left. | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. Thank you for the courage and humility it takes to write a post like this. We are the Church! I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! During Sunday services, Harvest showed a videoof members of the current elder board explaining why the church was placing the two former elders under church discipline: Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion. Harvest and MacDonald had a contentious separation last year, when he lost the position he held for 30 years over inappropriate comments and harmful conduct stemming from his legal battle with people investigating the church. That is why I really rally for our black preacher and pastors like Keion Henderson, https://www.keionhenderson.com/about-us/ ! We are wounded and grieving. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. I loved that about you. I attended Harvest Bible Chapel for over 8 years and served as the Womens Ministry Director at the Rolling Meadows campus for three of those years (thats the flagship original campus by the way). The good intentions of our ministry partnership with Harvest Chicago have been overshadowed by these developments, he said. The surprise is not Harvest, but that you publicly hung them. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. 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